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		<title>Pedro&#8217;s Story. Peruvian Roots And Gold</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Second and last part of Pedro's story]
As I said in the first part of this story I am impressed by Pedro’s personality, by his intelligence and extreme hardiness towards fatigue or any kind of climate. He has a lively and authoritative look. He’s pensive sometimes. Not the gloomy pensive, though. The optimistic pensive. He hums [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=manofroma.wordpress.com&blog=1665408&post=5921&subd=manofroma&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
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<p>[Second and last part of Pedro's story]</p>
<p>As I said in the <a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/pedros-story/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">first part</span></a> of this story I am impressed by Pedro’s personality, by his intelligence and extreme hardiness towards fatigue or any kind of climate. He has a lively and authoritative look. He’s pensive sometimes. Not the gloomy pensive, though. The optimistic pensive. He hums while he works.</p>
<p>Pedro directs a team of 10-15 workers, some of them appearing as impenetrable Inca masks to me.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s regret in him that the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruvian_Ancient_Cultures"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Peruvian ancient cultures </span></a>were wiped out. &#8220;How could they treat the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Inca civilization</span></a> like that?&#8221; he laments. Even today &#8211; he says &#8211; there&#8217;s a lot of gold up there. The mountain peasants are poor but they&#8217;re surrounded by precious minerals.</p>
<blockquote><p>“You dig the mountain and you see gold, you see copper. I have been working in the mines. Then foreigners arrived who took away everything. The people, who were poor before, are still poor today.”</p></blockquote>
<p>His eyes lit up when he saw we speak English at home now and then. He’s therefore started to take English classes.</p>
<p>“We’d be a strong community in Italy had we harmony. There’s envy and jealousy instead towards those who have success.”</p>
<p>One interesting thing he told me about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Chile</span></a>. “After the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Augusto Pinochet</span></a> dictatorship the people have straightened up and now they respect the rules, while everybody in Peru is tricking everybody and there’s total anarchy. A folk sometimes needs some straightening up.”</p>
<p style="text-align:center;">Ψ</p>
<p>This final observation &#8211; let me digress &#8211; reported by an ex 1968 student like me who saw Augusto Pinochet as the devil incarnate &#8230; Things must be seen from many view angles, and generally speaking democracy isn&#8217;t a plant that adapts itself to any terrain, I believe.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’ll postpone the final part of the Roman Jews writing and will speak about Pedro today.
Pedro is a 49-year-old Peruvian emigrated to Italy long ago. He has created a small construction firm that takes care of everything  &#8211; masonry, electrical and plumbing infrastructure etc. The work done is professional and accurate.
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<p>I’ll postpone the final part of the Roman Jews writing and will speak about Pedro today.</p>
<p>Pedro is a 49-year-old Peruvian emigrated to Italy long ago. He has created a small construction firm that takes care of everything  &#8211; masonry, electrical and plumbing infrastructure etc. The work done is professional and accurate.</p>
<p>I find Pedro&#8217;s personality impressive. Here are bits of his life story, told trying to use his own words.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;">Ψ</p>
<p>His father died when he was 8 so his mother had to roll up her sleeves. She has been a great woman. Pedro as a boy was busy doing any possible job in the streets of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lima"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Lima</span></a>, washing windscreens, polishing shoes &#8211; he had to be ingenious in many ways.</p>
<p>When coming back to Lima years later and meeting again his former street pals he found out many had ended up in drugs and some had died.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peru"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Peru</span></a> too, he says, there’s this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_children"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">street children</span></a> problem and the cleanup squads that murder them. But he committed no crime on the street. It’s his mother – he says. She raised him the hard way. Iron-willed she borne them all completely by herself, tied to a rope fastened to a beam, with the babies being brought to the world and she cutting the umbilical cord with her bare hands.</p>
<p>She is over 80 and sick now. Pedro’s brother phoned him to ask him to come back for next Christmas or he won’t see her again.</p>
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<p>Pedro’s parents were from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andes"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">the Andes</span></a>. They weren’t native Liman. You&#8217;ve got the plains over the ocean, the big mountains and the jungle in Peru [see the picture on the right.]</p>
<p>They teach humility, honesty and hard work in the Andean mountains, he says. That is why when this folk get down to the plains they are too naive and get easily cheated. These people meet a world where cunning and dishonesty are winning. This creates confusion in their heads, he says.</p>
<p>The Andean is more active, has a tougher character and is most resistant to fatigue. At the big markets in Lima lots of them are active managing the stands. Their bodies are smaller and their skin darker. The native Liman has instead lighter skin and a bigger body.</p>
<p>The Peruvian from the Andes in Italy aren’t usually working in the Italian families for housework. They set up construction, cleaning or transportation firms. Pedro always tells his compatriots to learn a job well instead of trying to figure out how to make money quickly. “It’ll be your wealth” he says.</p>
<p>He is happy when there’s problems to solve. “I love <em>le grane!</em> [trouble]” he keeps saying while shaking a head a bit too large compared to the body. Difficulties do not discourage him. They make him more resourceful instead.</p>
<p>He has learned both from his mother and from the street.</p>
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<p>His mother Maria was a strict woman and when she wanted to punish her children and they fled away like lightning  she caught them while asleep in the deep of the night and beat them up soundly. I didn&#8217;t ask him whether his mother remarried or not. He told me that, with the years passing, life had become a bit easier for his family. This made his brothers different. They didn’t have to fight as much as he did.</p>
<p>Having a good head is all that matters in life, he says.</p>
<p>He regrets not having had any education, nor having read enough  &#8211; he saw the piles of  books in our apartment. He&#8217;s glad his children had the opportunity to study. One of them will soon be an engineer.</p>
<p>His sons and daughters ask him:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">“Papà, had you been born again, what job would you do?”<br />
“The mason.”<br />
“Papà, the mason again?”<br />
“Yes, the mason. That&#8217;s the thing I love most.”</p>
<p>[to be continued]</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lichanos
But I don’t understand why you say the Jews are the most ancient  Romans. What about non-Jews whose families have been in Rome just as  long? Or are there none, what with migration, free movement, and the  currents of history? Are you saying that the ghetto and the social  restrictions on [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=manofroma.wordpress.com&blog=1665408&post=5764&subd=manofroma&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
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<p><span style="color:#993300;"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><a href="http://www.iamyouasheisme.wordpress.com/"><em><strong>Lichanos</strong></em></a></span></span><em><br />
But I don’t understand why you say the Jews are the most ancient  Romans. What about non-Jews whose families have been in Rome just as  long? Or are there none, what with migration, free movement, and the  currents of history? Are you saying that the ghetto and the social  restrictions on Jews kept their community intact all that time while  others dissolved? THAT would be quite an irony!</em></p>
<p><a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/about-2/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="color:#993300;"><em><strong>MoR</strong></em></span></span></a><br />
Yes, the ghetto, the social restrictions <em>and </em>the tenacious  interrelation ethnicity / religion / nationality typical of the Jews helped them to remain sort of intact compared to other Romans, I  believe [see below the ethnicity thing.]</p>
<p>Are they Roman, Jew or both? Both in my view. And their Roman side is  very ancient, there’s a lot of evidence: their cooking, their  behaviours, their vernacular sooo Roman and archaic to our ears.</p>
<p>I mean, why shouldn’t they be Roman? After living in Rome and  beholding the Tiber for 2,000 years …</p>
<p>An irony? <em>Roman-ness</em> has nothing to do with an ethnic group.  It’s cultural transmission, like at the (multi-ethnic) times of the  Empire.</p>
<p>I’ll try to explain this <em>roman-ness</em> concept the way I see  it.</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-thumbnail wp-image-17" title="Capitoline She-Wolf. Rome, Musei Capitolini. Public domain" src="http://manofroma.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/lupaottimigut1.jpg?w=150&#038;h=112" alt="Capitoline She-Wolf. Rome, Musei Capitolini. Public domain" width="150" height="112" /></p>
<p><span style="color:#993300;"><strong><em>A. Being Roman in antiquity</em></strong></span> meant an ethnic thing only in  early Republican times. With the late Republic and the Empire “Rome” and  its territories became a huge melting pot, more or less like America  today (Pompey had Celtic blood and Cato the younger had a slave among  his ancestors.)</p>
<p>Very strong cultural traits [one can check 'Romanitas' in any history manual]  were transmitted to Berbers, Greeks, Syrians, Jews, Gauls, Spaniards,  South and West Germans, Romanians etc. Even the class of the emperors  was multi-ethnic, and polytheism made every creed and religion accepted.  Focusing on Rome only, it was additionally populated by so many slaves  coming from anywhere that it is foolish to think in terms of a Roman  “race” surviving today.</p>
<p><span style="color:#993300;"><em><strong>B. Being Roman today.</strong></em></span> As for <em>Romanness today</em>, I clearly <em>feel</em> connections between an ancient Roman and a Roman of today.</p>
<p>The ancient Roman populace progressively lost its simplicity,  temperance and character. Even the poor were proud of living in Rome  (the Jews were among the poor) and had ‘panem et circenses’ without any  merit.</p>
<p>Privileged and spoiled compared to other folks they became bit by bit  crass, indolent, cynical, braggart, with a couldn’t-care-less attitude  towards anything.</p>
<p>They nonetheless retained bits of magnanimity, of a sense of  universalism, and a good nature and compassion that comes from the  ancient Romans (yes, the Romans <em>were </em>compassionate and had a  good nature).</p>
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<p>Their vulgar Latin turned little by little into this loose modern  dialect that is either loved unconditionally or hated in this country,  and which can be terribly concise and abrupt. The true Roman – a  species dying out – doesn’t speak that much, he is ironic, full of humour,  and can knock you out with very few words, as the Calcagnis, my grandmother&#8217;s family, could do (and did).</p>
<p>We are all sons of the base empire a bit! But in our decadence  there’s vitality and toughness – some old Romans look like lions and  jump off the Tiber bridges even in their 70s.</p>
<p>The modern Roman verve is well depicted in *<em><a rel="nofollow" href="../2009/07/07/calcagnis-memoirs-elvira-the-eldest-sister-makes-someone-behave-5/">Carlo Calcagni’s memoirs</a></em>*.</p>
<p>And, when <a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/the-roman-jews-1-are-they-the-most-ancient-romans-surviving/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Leone Limentani</span></a> the Jew exclaimed: “The edict doesn’t  forbid me!”-  it was a typically Roman (more than Jewish) scene [see the <a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/a-discussion-on-romanness-past-and-present-1-the-roman-jews/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">previous post</span></a> for it.]</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The previous  post on the Roman Jews had kicked off an interesting conversation with readers and especially with Lichanos on a theme central in this blog: Romanness past and present.
Huge topic, I know.
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<p>The <a href="../2009/10/29/the-roman-jews-1-are-they-the-most-ancient-romans-surviving/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">previous  post</span></a> on the Roman Jews had kicked off an interesting <a href="../2009/10/29/the-roman-jews-1-are-they-the-most-ancient-romans-surviving/#comment-4785"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">conversation</span></a> with readers and especially with <a href="http://www.iamyouasheisme.wordpress.com/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Lichanos</span></a> on a theme central in this blog: <em>Romanness</em> past and present.<br />
Huge topic, I know.</p>
<p>Lichanos&#8217; energizing comments have though compelled me to clarify and integrate what I had in mind. I really thank ALL my readers for their contribution. Discussion helps to clarify and enrich lumpy mind stuff still at an intuition stage (see my <a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/method-and-encounter-with-magister/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">method post</span></a>.)</p>
<p>My friend Mario has told me recently: &#8220;You are exploiting your <em>commentatori</em>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Roman-like, and using polite words in my translation, I told him he better shut his helluva mouth up.</p>
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<p><span style="color:#993300;"><em><strong>MoR</strong></em></span><br />
So what <a href="http://www.negozistorici.it/negi001.asp?pic=25limentani"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Davide Limentani</span></a> said is probably true: the Roman Jews are the most ancient Romans surviving. The origin of their <em>roman-ness</em> appears to be prior to the era of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavian_dynasty"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Flavian Emperors</span></a>. Actually Jews have lived in Rome for over 2,000 years!</p>
<p><strong><em><span style="color:#993300;">Lichanos</span></em></strong><br />
I don’t understand why you say the Jews are the most ancient Romans. What about non-Jews whose families have been in Rome just as long? Or are there none, what with migration, free movement, and the currents of history? Are you saying that the ghetto and the social restrictions on Jews kept their community intact all that time while others dissolved? THAT would be quite an irony!</p>
<p><span style="color:#993300;"><em><strong>MoR</strong></em></span><br />
Yes, the ghetto, the social restrictions <em>and</em> the tenacious interrelation ethnicity / religion / nationality typical of the Jews helped them to remain sort of intact compared to other Romans, I believe.</p>
<p>Are they Roman, Jew or both? Both in my view. And their Roman side is very ancient, there’s a lot of evidence: their cooking, their behaviours, their vernacular sooo Roman and archaic to our ears. I mean, why shouldn’t they be Roman? After living in Rome and beholding the Tiber for 2,000 years …</p>
<p>An irony? Romanness has nothing to do with an ethnic group. It’s cultural transmission, like at the [multicultural] times of the Empire.</p>
<p><span style="color:#993300;"><em><strong>Lichanos</strong></em></span><br />
Touché! The stereotype inverted! I was thinking it was ironic because Jews are usually thought of as the “other – not us” group, so it seemed ironic that they would be the most Roman. Of course the Jews are the most Roman, stands to reason given their history there…</p>
<p><em><strong><span style="color:#993300;">MoR</span></strong></em><br />
<em>Jews … usually thought of as the “other – not us” group</em><br />
A bit being due to elements of the Jewish culture, people who see the Jews as aliens are either racist, stupid or narrow-minded (I’ll bypass the religious fanatics). Variety is what makes life interesting! Plus they are usually very intelligent, which is not bad these days.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;">Ψ</p>
<p>My personal take on <em>Romanness </em>has been pruned from the above conversation for the sake of readability. See the <a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/a-discussion-on-romanness-past-and-present-2-is-a-roman-race-surviving/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">upcoming post</span></a> for it.  The Roman Jews (2) writing will soon follow.</p>
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&#8220;Who&#8217;s more Roman than the Roman Jews? Some of us date back from the times of the Emperor Titus [39-81 AD]&#8221; &#8211; Davide Limentani told me in the early 80s.
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<p>&#8220;Who&#8217;s more Roman than the <a href="http://www.livius.org/di-dn/diaspora/rome.html"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Roman Jews</span></a>? Some of us date back from the times of the Emperor Titus [39-81 AD]&#8221; &#8211; Davide Limentani told me in the early 80s.</p>
<p>Limentani was (and maybe still is) at the head of a big wholesale and retail glass and silver <a href="http://www.negozistorici.it/negi001.asp?pic=25limentani"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">company</span></a> in Rome. I had phoned him three days earlier for an interview that had to be published on the Roman daily Repubblica.</p>
<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-5656" title="Ditta Limentani" src="http://manofroma.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/ditta-limentani.jpg?w=264&#038;h=178" alt="Ditta Limentani" width="264" height="178" />I remember a lovely spring day in the old alleys of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Ghetto"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Roman Ghetto</span></a>, with swallows crying over a glorious blue sky. He was sitting at his desk in the aisle of an impressively ramified, catacomb-like store in via Portico d&#8217;Ottavia 47 (look at its stripped-down sign above,) crammed with an immense variety of crystal, pottery, silver, china, pewter, anything one can think of &#8211; his swift and bright eyes looking in every direction.</p>
<p>The firm had among its clients popes, cardinals, celebrities and governments, including the White House. Davide is descendant of Leone, who started in 1820 the most ancient wholesale glassware store in Rome which still bears his name: <a href="http://www.limentani.com/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Leone Limentani &#8211; 1820 Roma</span></a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Leone <em>er cocciaro</em>&#8221; [coccio = fragment], that&#8217;s how they called him” &#8211; Davide said smiling. “He had in fact started with glass junk and had accumulated a big credit with the S. Paolo Glassworks,  whose effigy was on every glass &#8211;  the old Roman <em>bibitari </em>[sellers of drinks] remember it well. The S. Paolo Glassworks were having difficulties because of some faulty articles, and since a 1514 papal edict allowed the Jews to trade only in commodities &#8220;of secondary importance&#8221; Leone exclaimed: &#8220;The edict doesn&#8217;t forbid me!&#8221; so he bought out the second rate articles from the S. Paolo thus laying the foundation of his new activity&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://thehideside.blogspot.com/2009/03/ex-ghetto.html"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-5700" title="An image of the Ghetto. Courtesy of Hidesideofrome. Click for source" src="http://manofroma.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/frescozz.jpg?w=216&#038;h=232" alt="An image of the Ghetto. Courtesy of Hidesideofrome. Click for source" width="216" height="232" /></a></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The Roman Jews are almost 20,000 – Davide continued &#8211; and only at the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portico_d%27Ottavia"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Portico of Octavia</span></a> they live in a community. A love-hate relationship  with the  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Ghetto"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">ghetto</span></a>, they have &#8211; he confessed handing some pictures of his family to me -. When the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piedmont"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Piedmontese</span></a> [who unified Italy 150 years ago] opened its doors in 1870 many Jews left with the desire of forgetting all they had suffered here. But they soon came back because the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sant'Angelo_(rione_of_Rome)"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">rione Sant&#8217;Angelo</span></a> represents all their roots. In the summer evenings the elderly sit in the open air and speak a vernacular almost <em>dantesco</em>, dantesque, in its character: &#8216;Guarda che vituperio!&#8217; [ = 'watch all this  vituperation!'.]&#8220;</p></blockquote>
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<h3 style="text-align:center;">They&#8217;ll Never Pass Under the Arch of Titus</h3>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Titus Flavius Vespasianus</span></a>, Emperor of Rome. Traditionally the Roman Jews never pass under the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_of_Titus"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">arch of Titus</span></a>. There&#8217;s a reason. This &#8216;delight of the human kind&#8217;, as the historian <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suetonius"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Suetonius</span></a> called him, didn&#8217;t turn such a delight to the Jews, who saw Jerusalem sacked and its temple destroyed by Titus&#8217; armies in 70 AD. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domitian"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Domitian</span></a>, Titus&#8217; younger brother, built the arch to commemorate the victory and on one side panel of it [see the image above,] carved in Pentelic marble, we see the spoils of the temple taken away by the Romans.</p>
<p>The f<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish-Roman_War"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">irst Jewish-Roman war</span></a> (66-73 AD), this is how historians call it, saw many Jews die (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Josephus</span></a> claims 1,100,000 during the siege) which greatly intensified the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Jewish diaspora</span></a> all over the Mediterranean.</p>
<p>From that war we know that a group of Jews ended their lives as gladiators in the circus at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesarea"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Caesarea</span></a>, the Roman stronghold in Palestine. Others died in the Sardinian or Spanish mines. A large number though were brought to Rome.</p>
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<p>It turns the Romans needed labour to build the Colosseum. So the stones of the most famous Roman monument were wetted by the sweat of many slaves among which were the Jews captured by Titus. This group had been though greeted by an already flourishing Jewish community &#8211; merchants, freedmen and slaves &#8211; mostly brought to Rome 130 years earlier by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompey"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Pompey the Great</span></a> at the end of his <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompey#Pompey_in_the_East"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">wars in the East</span></a>.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s Roman Jews seem therefore the descendants of these two Jewish settlements in Rome &#8211; and of others arriving I don&#8217;t know when and where from.</p>
<p>So what Davide Limentani said is probably true:  the Roman Jews are <em>the most ancient Romans surviving.</em> The origin of their <em>roman-ness</em> appears to be prior to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavian_dynasty"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Flavian  era</span></a>. Actually &#8220;Jews have lived in Rome for over 2,000 years, longer than any other European city&#8221; (!) [<a href="http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=352&amp;letter=R&amp;search=roman%20jews#1005"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Jewish Encyclopedia</span></a>.]</p>
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<p>Not the place here to discuss the reasons of the clash between the Romans and the Jews, which gave birth to many wars and ended up with the Jews leaving Palestine. As for the Roman Jews, we know that they had been treated benevolently by Julius Caesar who had also exonerated them from any tax during their sabbatical year. From Suetonius we know that at Caesar&#8217;s death the Jews in Rome flocked to his funeral with big lamentations, and it is even possible that some of them identified Caesar with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Messiah</span></a>&#8221; (read <a href="http://www.livius.org/caa-can/caesar/caesar_t10.html#6"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">livius.org</span></a> on this, note num 6.)</p>
<p>During the Middle Ages the life of the Roman Hebrews had its ups and downs but basically was not too bad. When though in 1517 Luther nailed the 95 theses that will split Western Christianity into Protestants and Catholics, a dark epoch of religious wars and fanaticism began.</p>
<p>On the 14th of July 1555 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Paul_IV"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Pope Paul IV</span></a> promulgated a Bull where all the rights of the Jewish community were cancelled and the Jewish Ghetto was walled and provided with gates.</p>
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<p>&#8220;It is easy to hate, and hate brings people together after a fashion; it creates all kinds of fantasies, it brings about various types of co-operation, as in war. But love is much more difficult. You cannot learn how to love, but what you can do is to observe hate and put it gently aside. Don&#8217;t battle against hate, don&#8217;t say how terrible it is to hate people, but see hate for what it is and let it drop away; brush it aside, it is not important. What is important is not to let hate take root in your mind. Do you understand? Your mind is like rich soil, and if given sufficient time any problem that comes along takes root like a weed, and then you have the trouble of pulling it out; but if you do not give the problem sufficient time to take root, then it has no place to grow and it will wither away. If you encourage hate, give it time to take root, to grow, to mature, it becomes an enormous problem. But if each time hate arises you let it go by, then you will find that your mind becomes very sensitive without being sentimental; therefore it will know love.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/love.html"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Jiddu Krishnamurti</span></a></p>
<p>[I met <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">J. Krishnamurti</span></a> at <a href="http://cafephilos.wordpress.com/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Café Philos</span></a>, a good Internet café where Paul Sunstone - living "along the Front Range of the Rockies, near Cheyenne Mountain" - stirs discussions on philosophy and other thought-provoking stuff]</p>
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<p>PS<br />
As a digression, I wonder why media today pander so much to the basest emotions of the public, thus favouring them to &#8216;take root&#8217;. <em>Panem et circenses</em>? An intrinsic flaw of capitalism?  &#8211; the list could be long. A <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cui_bono"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><em>cui bono</em></span></a> serious analysis here would be needed, though it could lead nowhere, societies being complex. For a discussion around this see the links below.</p>
<p>Related posts:</p>
<p><a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/2007/11/03/keep-violence-in-the-mind/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Keep Violence in the Mind</span></a><br />
<a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/2008/06/02/western-values-again-1/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Western Values, Again (1)</span></a></p>
<p>I also found a very interesting [Australian] post on the subject of how we accustom our children to virtual murder and crime via media and computer games:</p>
<p><a href="http://bretthenebery.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/crime-whos-to-blame/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Crime: Who’s to Blame?</span></a></p>
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<p>The theme of the mafia has come out in many discussions. While reading up on it I was surprised how well the mafia seems to fit into the topics of this blog.</p>
<p>Here just a few notes freely based on the book <em>Padrini</em>, by <a href="http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Olla"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Roberto Olla</span></a>, Mondadori 2003, Milano [translated into English with the title <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Godfathers-Lives-Crimes-Mafia-Mobsters/dp/1846880491"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Godfathers</span></a></em>], and on the novel <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Godfather_(novel)"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">The Godfather</span></a></em>, by <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Puzo"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Mario Puzo</span></a></span>.</p>
<h3 style="text-align:center;">Men of Respect, Intelligent and Cynical</h3>
<p>The word “Don” is used in Italian when referring to a priest or to an aristocrat. A godfather is in fact a man of respect. He is an aristocrat of crime, a prince of evil, no matter his appearance or his clothes &#8211; this may be one reason why Hollywood movie-goers have found the <em>mafiosi</em> so attractive.</p>
<p>One common mistake – argues Roberto Olla &#8211; is in fact that of considering the mafiosi as simple gunmen to defeat. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vito_Cascio_Ferro"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Don Vito Cascio Ferro</span></a> had no guns. He was one of the first godfathers who operated both in Sicily and in the United States. His force lay in his cynicism and intelligence and in the network he was able to create thanks to well ingrained traditions. He distributed <em>favori</em>, favours, to everybody, but something was asked in return.</p>
<p>In short, mafia had/has <em>history</em>. How a mafia network was / is built is well expressed by Mario Puzo in <em>The Godfather</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Don Vito Corleone [Puzo’s fictitious character] was a man to whom everybody came for help, and never were they disappointed. He made no empty promise (&#8230;) Only one thing was required. That you, <em>you yourself</em>, proclaim your friendship. And then, no matter how poor or powerless the supplicant, Don Corleone would take that man&#8217;s troubles to his heart (&#8230;) His reward? Friendship, the respectful title of &#8220;Don&#8221; (&#8230;) some humble gift &#8211; a gallon of homemade wine etc.<br />
It was understood, it was mere good manners, to proclaim that you were in his debt and that he had the right to call upon you at any time to redeem your debt by some small service.”</p></blockquote>
<p>This network implied protection, various forms of exchange but also ruthless exploitation (for example the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzo_(extortion)"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><em>pizzo</em></span></a> or protection money one could not escape).</p>
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<p>Long centuries of oppression or absence of the state had favoured in Sicily a kind of anti-state or alternative organization. The American police officers and the ‘nordic’ Italian state found themselves unprepared &#8211; Olla continues.</p>
<blockquote><p>Focusing on America, &#8220;the US policemen were searching in the underworld. But it was in the <em>upper </em>world that they should have searched. They should have searched among the &#8217;similar&#8217; and not the ‘diverse’, since those men came from an ancient culture.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<h3 style="text-align:center;">How to Face Aliens From an Ancient World?</h3>
<p>Let us try to better understand. America at that time &#8211; Olla observes &#8211; distinguished between the good guys and the bad guys, and reacted severely to the latter. When though meeting the ‘men of respect’ the US found themselves facing <em>unheard-of souls</em>. They were unprepared when fighting these <em>mafiosi </em>who were too similar to the people from the upper world. It was not a matter of jacket and tie or of wearing a social mask.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It was <em>a blend of morality and immorality</em> which produced people able to commit the most ferocious crimes and, at the same time, to show respect for religion. <em>People capable to plan a massacre while in everyday life they defended the good principles</em> and healthy traditions.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>An <em>unheard-of</em> <em>humanity</em>? Well, my readers know well what I think about it: we are dealing here in my opinion with <em>alien </em>moral codes stemming from pre-Christian, Greco-Roman antiquity, something more or less unknown to [Christian] northern Europe where the American culture mostly came from.</p>
<p>The <em>mafioso</em> had to be seen &#8211; as  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Falcone"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Giovanni Falcone</span></a>, a famous Sicilian magistrate killed by the mafia in 1992, once said &#8211; like the <em>old sage</em> who administered justice sat under the big oak tree in the name of a non-existent state.</p>
<h3 style="text-align:center;">The Irish had no Chance</h3>
<p>&#8220;Morality and immorality, respect and abuse, honour and violence.” When in the American ports the Italian and the Irish organized crime faced each other [Olla, again], the latter didn’t have any chance, regardless of the many advantages the Irish had had &#8211; they had migrated earlier, they spoke the language, and some of them were perfectly integrated: Irish crime had to face a more ancient and mysterious culture.</p>
<p>Surprise attacks, great speed and extreme determination in their raids &#8211; behind the big godfathers I remember Mario Puzo flashing the shadow of the Roman emperors [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperator"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">imperatores</span></a>], with their ruthlessness and organization. It is exaggerated, but certainly the mafia the Americans had to fight had already in its genes some formidable military qualities, among the rest.</p>
<p>Different from the Irish is the case of the Jewish criminals, some of which (like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_Lansky"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Meyer Lansky</span></a> associated with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Luciano"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Lucky Luciano</span></a>) well integrated themselves into the Italian mafia (due to their common Mediterranean origins? It is tempting to think so.)</p>
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<div id="attachment_5492" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 330px"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Joe_petrosino.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-5492" title="Joseph Petrosino" src="http://manofroma.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/joe_petrosinoopt.jpg?w=320&#038;h=390" alt="Joseph Petrosino, a New York City police officer and pioneer in the fight against Mafia" width="320" height="390" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Joseph Petrosino, a New York City police officer, pioneer in the fight against the mafia (1860 - 1909)</p></div>
<p>It is not by chance that the first serious blows to the Mafia were given by Italians, like the police officer <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Petrosino"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Joe Petrosino</span></a> and many others, who were able to understand the intricacies of the Italian mind.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;">Ψ</p>
<p>Other related posts and blog themes:</p>
<p><a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/the-human-mind-is-like-a-museum/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">The Human Mind is Like a Museum</span></a><a href="../the-human-mind-is-like-a-museum/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><br />
</span></a><a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/traces-of-paganism-in-italians/"></a><a href="../2008/12/28/italians-are-cynical-amoral-religiously-superficial/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">“Italians are Cynical, Amoral, Religiously Superficial”</span></a><br />
<a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/traces-of-paganism-in-italians/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Traces of Paganism in Italians</span></a></p>
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		<title>October 3. Demonstration Held in Rome to Defend Media Freedom</title>
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Tomorrow &#8220;October 3rd a demonstration will be held in Rome [3:30 pm, piazza del Popolo] to defend media freedom—not in a remote dictatorship, but in Italy itself. Journalists who have called the protest have good reason to worry. In Freedom House’s 2009 survey of media independence, Italy was downgraded to &#8216;partly free&#8217; and placed 73rd [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=manofroma.wordpress.com&blog=1665408&post=5439&subd=manofroma&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
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<p>Tomorrow &#8220;October 3rd a demonstration will be held in Rome [3:30 pm, piazza del Popolo] to defend media freedom—not in a remote dictatorship, but in Italy itself. Journalists who have called the protest have good reason to worry. In Freedom House’s <a href="http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=470"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">2009 survey</span></a> of media independence, Italy was downgraded to &#8216;partly free&#8217; and placed 73rd in a list of 195 countries (only just above Bulgaria.) In this respect, at least, Silvio Berlusconi’s Italy is distancing itself from western Europe and becoming more like weaker democracies farther east.&#8221; [The Economist, <a href="http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14560942"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><em>Muzzling the messengers</em></span></a>, Oct 1st 2009, Rome]</p>
<p>The British weekly paper thus concludes:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Not since Mussolini’s time has an Italian government’s interference with the media been more blatant or alarming. Journalists, and other Italians, have every reason to protest.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align:center;">Ψ</p>
<p><span style="color:#7a2800;"><strong><em>Additional Info</em></strong></span></p>
<p>An <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6857539.ece"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">article</span></a> on this demonstration written by <a href="http://www.robertosaviano.it/documenti/8872"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Roberto Saviano</span></a>, author of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomorrah_(book)"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Gomorrah</span></a>, is published by The (London) Times, Die Zeit, El Pais and Le Figaro.</p>
<p>Here is some <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi#Influence_on_the_media"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">basic information</span></a> about Berlusconi&#8217;s power over Italian media, plus a recent <a href="http://temi.repubblica.it/repubblicaspeciale-altre-dieci-domande-a-silvio-berlusconi/category/la-vicenda-sulla-stampa-estera/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">collection</span></a> of international articles regarding Silvio Berlusconi.</p>
<p>You can also read from our blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/is-berlusconis-power-about-to-decline/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Is Berlusconi’s Power About to Decline?</span></a></p>
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In the preceding post we have noticed how contemporary Italian literature and cinema seldom offer wide-fresco works &#8211; they perceive the single tree more than the entire forest (read a conversation on this topic.)
Someone affirms that the secret of the forest is instead hidden in Palermo. In Palermo? Why are Palermo and Sicily so special?
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<p>In the <a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/the-secret-of-the-forest/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">preceding post</span></a> we have noticed how contemporary Italian literature and cinema seldom offer wide-fresco works &#8211; they perceive the single tree more than the entire forest (read a <a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/the-secret-of-the-forest/#comments"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">conversation</span></a> on this topic.)</p>
<p>Someone affirms that the<em> secret of the forest</em> is instead hidden in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palermo"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Palermo</span></a>. In Palermo? Why are Palermo and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicily"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Sicily</span></a> so special?</p>
<p>While we are searching for an answer in some recent <a href="http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Piazzese"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Sicilian novels</span></a>, we can make a guess. Sicily, like a warm-fleshed woman lying languidly on the sea, was disputed by Greeks and Phoenicians, Spartans and Athenians, Romans and Carthaginians, and later Normans Arabs popes and emperors. Such splendid (and tormented) history might have favoured a depth, a <em>wider look</em> in its people and writers that the Italian (or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuscany"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Tuscan</span></a>) literature has experienced in its best moments.</p>
<p><a href="http://windrosehotel.blogspot.com/"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Rob</span></a> has said that writers such as Lampedusa and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Sciascia"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Sciascia</span></a> would have known why the secret could be hidden in Palermo.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;">Ψ</p>
<p>So we&#8217;ll look for a glimpse of such wider look in a beautiful passage from<em> Il Gattopardo</em> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Leopard"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">The Leopard)</span></a> by the Sicilian writer <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Tomasi_di_Lampedusa"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa</span></a> (1896 &#8211; 1957).</p>
<blockquote><p>Tomasi di Lampedusa narrates how, soon after Italy’s unification, the honest Piedmont’s official Chevalley [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piedmont"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Piedmont,</span></a> at that time an advanced region, unified Italy in 1861] was sent to implore the Sicilian Prince of Lampedusa [the author's great-grandfather and protagonist of the novel, ] to represent Sicily in the new Italian Senate, “in order to remedy the state of material poverty, of blind and moral misery in which the Sicilian people find themselves, your own people!”</p>
<p>The Prince, smiling and inviting Chevalley to sit down with him on the couch for a while, answered with the same words he had used with some English who, before <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garibaldi"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Giuseppe Garibaldi</span></a> conquered Palermo, were asking what all these Northern Italians, these <em>Garibaldini</em>, were doing in the South of Italy.</p>
<p>&#8220;They are coming to teach us good manners &#8211; said  to them  the Prince in English &#8211; but <span style="color:#732e07;"><em>they won&#8217;t succeed, because we are</em> <em>gods</em>.</span>&#8220;</p>
<p>Then at the end (with poor Chevalley in total dismay because of the Prince’s denial) the aristocrat adds that in Sicily things have not changed and will never change for that &#8217;sense of superiority that glitters in the eye of every Sicilian, that we ourselves call pride (fierezza,) but which is actually blindness.&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>An enlightening, though gloomy, reflection.</p>
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<p><em>Note</em>. This &#8216;pride which is actually blindness&#8217; can be said of all great civilizations on earth that <em>were</em>. If we are worth for what we <em>were</em>, we are much much worthier for what we <em>are</em>.</p>
<p>Past greatness can be a richness, and a consolation, but it is not enough.</p>
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