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	<title>Comments on: A Discussion on Romanness Past and Present (2). Is a Roman &#8216;Race&#8217; Surviving?</title>
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		<title>By: Dev</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Commentator and MOR, thanks again. I will use the information you guys shared to pick my first book on this subject, once I start my readings]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commentator and MOR, thanks again. I will use the information you guys shared to pick my first book on this subject, once I start my readings</p>
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		<title>By: Man of Roma</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Man of Roma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t diminish yourself Commentator.

I have no idea, but I have an *&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Rome-Five-Denarii-Day/dp/050005147X&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ancient Rome on 5 Denarii a Day&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;*, &quot;a time-traveler&#039;s guide to sightseeing, shopping, and survival in the city of the Caesars&quot;, which is great fun and an instructive read.

Wait, I was wrong. There&#039;s a *&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Romans-Dummies-History-Biography-Politics/dp/0470030771&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Romans for dummies&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;*, but I got no idea about the quality. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t diminish yourself Commentator.</p>
<p>I have no idea, but I have an *<em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Rome-Five-Denarii-Day/dp/050005147X" rel="nofollow">Ancient Rome on 5 Denarii a Day</a></em>*, &#8220;a time-traveler&#8217;s guide to sightseeing, shopping, and survival in the city of the Caesars&#8221;, which is great fun and an instructive read.</p>
<p>Wait, I was wrong. There&#8217;s a *<em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Romans-Dummies-History-Biography-Politics/dp/0470030771" rel="nofollow">The Romans for dummies</a></em>*, but I got no idea about the quality. </p>
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		<title>By: The Commentator</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi. Introductory readings are always beneficial. In my case, I threw myself into the foray so to speak and look how I turned out!

I think Gibbons is a great independent read at any time. However, true, it may not serve as a primer. Do they have a &quot;Roman Empire for Dummies?&quot; I&#039;m not kidding. Those books are great starters. 

Lewis is fine. A bit &quot;academic and dry&quot; but we are not children, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. Introductory readings are always beneficial. In my case, I threw myself into the foray so to speak and look how I turned out!</p>
<p>I think Gibbons is a great independent read at any time. However, true, it may not serve as a primer. Do they have a &#8220;Roman Empire for Dummies?&#8221; I&#8217;m not kidding. Those books are great starters. </p>
<p>Lewis is fine. A bit &#8220;academic and dry&#8221; but we are not children, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Dev</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks again MOR! Will follow your advice on this. BBC series sounds interesting too. I had seen BBC series on planet earth. That was an amazing collection. So, I&#039;m pretty positive that this one should not disappoint either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again MOR! Will follow your advice on this. BBC series sounds interesting too. I had seen BBC series on planet earth. That was an amazing collection. So, I&#8217;m pretty positive that this one should not disappoint either.</p>
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		<title>By: Man of Roma</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Man of Roma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will check. I remember he treated the Church as a mere historical fact and criticised the Church for having dismantled the great preceding culture. Gibbon confessed he wrote better in French than in English at first. He had left Oxford because he had converted to Catholicism, so his father sent him to French Switzerland, where in 5 years he was greatly enriched by the edgy French culture. He came back to Sw. when he was older.

How can one possibly live in Switzerland - just mountains, good chocolate and cows. Couldn’t live surrounded by cows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will check. I remember he treated the Church as a mere historical fact and criticised the Church for having dismantled the great preceding culture. Gibbon confessed he wrote better in French than in English at first. He had left Oxford because he had converted to Catholicism, so his father sent him to French Switzerland, where in 5 years he was greatly enriched by the edgy French culture. He came back to Sw. when he was older.</p>
<p>How can one possibly live in Switzerland &#8211; just mountains, good chocolate and cows. Couldn’t live surrounded by cows.</p>
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		<title>By: lichanos</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes - his prose is fantastic.  I am very fond of those long periodic sentences of the 18th century.

He is at his most sarcastic when he discusses the early Christian church.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; his prose is fantastic.  I am very fond of those long periodic sentences of the 18th century.</p>
<p>He is at his most sarcastic when he discusses the early Christian church.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Costopoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Costopoulos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree totally]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree totally</p>
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		<title>By: Man of Roma</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Man of Roma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s face it Paul. First Europe, and later America, predominantly &#039;white&#039;, have been, somehow are still, dominant in the world [myths and history are linked we said]. Focusing on economy only, North America and the Euro zone are still the richest areas. 

It will not last. Things ARE about to change soon. 

I know this had to be the American Century. It will not be. As Fareed Zakaria *&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://manofroma.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/isn%e2%80%99t-british-trojan-horse-a-short-sighted-animal/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;once said&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;*: it is not defeatism, it is math.

So the myth of the white race will fade away.

This angers those who don&#039;t think in terms of humankind, of helping one another and of love for cultural diversity. 

Nazism (more than Fascism in my view, but now they are getting closer) - which has nothing to do with the US, who defeated Nazism and Fascism with the help of the Russians - is there to provide the most angered [and moronic] with its ideological &lt;em&gt;abomination&lt;/em&gt;. They must be fought and crushed.

PS
Obama, a BLACK president of the US, in this respect, after the Bush era, angered them so much (the birthers and all that bunch), I imagine their faces when he was elected - making the rest of us sooo happy, no matter what Obama&#039;s policy is. 

Yes, at this point, and from a world&#039;s point of view, what Obama accomplishes really doesn&#039;t matter that much.

PPS
Pardon my verbosity Paul :-(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s face it Paul. First Europe, and later America, predominantly &#8216;white&#8217;, have been, somehow are still, dominant in the world [myths and history are linked we said]. Focusing on economy only, North America and the Euro zone are still the richest areas. </p>
<p>It will not last. Things ARE about to change soon. </p>
<p>I know this had to be the American Century. It will not be. As Fareed Zakaria *<em><a href="http://manofroma.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/isn%e2%80%99t-british-trojan-horse-a-short-sighted-animal/" rel="nofollow">once said</a></em>*: it is not defeatism, it is math.</p>
<p>So the myth of the white race will fade away.</p>
<p>This angers those who don&#8217;t think in terms of humankind, of helping one another and of love for cultural diversity. </p>
<p>Nazism (more than Fascism in my view, but now they are getting closer) &#8211; which has nothing to do with the US, who defeated Nazism and Fascism with the help of the Russians &#8211; is there to provide the most angered [and moronic] with its ideological <em>abomination</em>. They must be fought and crushed.</p>
<p>PS<br />
Obama, a BLACK president of the US, in this respect, after the Bush era, angered them so much (the birthers and all that bunch), I imagine their faces when he was elected &#8211; making the rest of us sooo happy, no matter what Obama&#8217;s policy is. </p>
<p>Yes, at this point, and from a world&#8217;s point of view, what Obama accomplishes really doesn&#8217;t matter that much.</p>
<p>PPS<br />
Pardon my verbosity Paul <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Costopoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Costopoulos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quite right MoR, about Rosaria and about the Aryan vs others myth.  But for one man to use it to such an extent certainly proves that it lies pretty near the surface in us white people.  And the myth still has it&#039;s followers...even in your beloved, and rightly so, Roma.  Even in Canada there are cells of the Aryan Nation group and they are murderous at times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite right MoR, about Rosaria and about the Aryan vs others myth.  But for one man to use it to such an extent certainly proves that it lies pretty near the surface in us white people.  And the myth still has it&#8217;s followers&#8230;even in your beloved, and rightly so, Roma.  Even in Canada there are cells of the Aryan Nation group and they are murderous at times.</p>
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		<title>By: Man of Roma</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Man of Roma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Rosaria

Rosaria, I visit you because I appreciate you as a person and as a writer.

How do you mean ‘your best behaviour’ Rosaria?

Myth and history - there’s always connections to figure out: the Roman Venus born around Lavinium (where many Spaghetti Westerns were shot btw) not by chance, since Aeneas, who there may be landed, was son of Venus. The original shrine of the goddess was in Lavinium, so everything fits: Aeneas, the goddess, the location of her cult, which is historical of course, and the Romans, sons of Venus, and their pleasure of living, transmitted to all Latin countries.

Not that today myths are dead: Elvis, Marilyn, the UFOs. I prefer to mythicize the Greco-Romans frankly.

I loved ‘La vita è bella’, parts of it shot in charming Arezzo, where I often go for family reasons.

The Romans were the only folk who made a myth, a religion of Rome herself. This gave them additional power. 

And the Jews were not different - Lichanos might correct me -: they mythicized their folk and nation, thence their resilience.

Unfortunately the hideous and totally false myth of a superior blood or race - of a negative, the Jewish race, and of a positive, the Aryan race - has brought immense tragedy in the 20th century. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rosaria</p>
<p>Rosaria, I visit you because I appreciate you as a person and as a writer.</p>
<p>How do you mean ‘your best behaviour’ Rosaria?</p>
<p>Myth and history &#8211; there’s always connections to figure out: the Roman Venus born around Lavinium (where many Spaghetti Westerns were shot btw) not by chance, since Aeneas, who there may be landed, was son of Venus. The original shrine of the goddess was in Lavinium, so everything fits: Aeneas, the goddess, the location of her cult, which is historical of course, and the Romans, sons of Venus, and their pleasure of living, transmitted to all Latin countries.</p>
<p>Not that today myths are dead: Elvis, Marilyn, the UFOs. I prefer to mythicize the Greco-Romans frankly.</p>
<p>I loved ‘La vita è bella’, parts of it shot in charming Arezzo, where I often go for family reasons.</p>
<p>The Romans were the only folk who made a myth, a religion of Rome herself. This gave them additional power. </p>
<p>And the Jews were not different &#8211; Lichanos might correct me -: they mythicized their folk and nation, thence their resilience.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the hideous and totally false myth of a superior blood or race &#8211; of a negative, the Jewish race, and of a positive, the Aryan race &#8211; has brought immense tragedy in the 20th century. </p>
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