Pleasure in Craft. The Germans
The Germans like to do things well and feel pleasure in their craft. It comes out in everything they do. They are far away from this utilitarian attitude typical of the Anglo-Saxons, who work hard but most of the time have practical goals in mind, money and commerce being not seldom among them.
We will not mention the somewhat revealing episode (I do hope I recall well) of Heinrich Heine - one of German greatest Romantic poets - and his totally puzzled reaction the first time he visited London in the first half of the 19th century, such a great city London (at that time the more powerful place in the world) though in his view an exclusively trade-oriented centre, which kind of disgusted him.
Neither we want to get deep into the concept that concentrating so often on practical stuff only, while it can surely provide tremendous intervention power (it really does) it can nonetheless narrow human experience, which has much richer potentials.
Pretty nice opposition, the German and the British, providing such a complicated insight on the German soul of Europe (not only German soul, but I do not want to be repetitive). An opposition that has undone Europe. Well, ok, today we won’t plunge into that.
Here just 3 exemplifications that can illustrate what we mean about the Germans.
I. Minimum ex. ComputerBild, a PC magazine also translated for the Italian market. Inexpensive (only 1.5 Euros here), highly reliable, extremely rich with meticulous analyses, a small instance of handicraft devotion in a market, the publishing market, where garbage is increasingly dominating.
II & III. Maximum exs. Cars made in Germany (above a 1999 Porsche 996 Carrera Cabriolet, picture being taken from here) or the outstanding Deutsches Museum in Munich, Bavaria (Museum of Masterpieces in Science and Technology).
As far as the third ex., apart from the term masterpieces, which already implies a lot, here practically everything - from small-scale models to entire huge reconstructions (i.e. reconstructions of underground coal mines and all the technology involved) - was fondly manufactured in touching laboratories where artisans, some of them advanced in age, work(ed) with so much devotion and amore. Of course, models are one thing, real machinery - small and enormous aeroplanes, entire ships etc. - another totally (and impressive) thing at the Deutsches Museum.
Well, what is incredible here is that almost any kind of machines, plus theoretical (and factual) models so various, plus tons of other astonishing stuff can be watched, analysed (and admired) in this awe-inspiring Institution, one of the best places in Europe for Science and Technology (maybe in the world? Well, American Science Museums and Science centres are pretty impressive too, but I am not capable of fruitful comparisons, not being my job).
Here, S&T are obviously seen as potent tools capable of diminishing hunger, making life easier etc. This of course is so important, do not misunderstand me. Nonetheless, S&T are also seen with a work-of-art approach involving the above-mentioned devotional attitude, which is a totally different thing. Yes, it is a totally different thing. I have little doubts about it.
How about you?
It is this quality, among others, this pleasure of doing everything so well, that finally makes the Germans excellent engineers and, I would say, outstanding constructors of no matter what.
Two associative examples, if you please:
1) they are constructors of absolutely breathtakingly complex musical structures (where minds not well equipped can easily get lost, or bored, which is exactly the same thing).
2) They are constructors of equally breathtakingly complex philosophical buildings, the deepest in the West (where one gets even more easily lost, unfortunately).
So, what the hell is their secret then? I do not know, why the hell do you think I know… well, ok, among other virtues, I might guess they are endowed with patience, calm and inflexible perseverance. Plus this great capacity of toiling (and suffering) in silence, an imprint of true force and indubitable courage.
PS
I wonder why India has always attracted me, though probably it is too late to seriously delve into that much diverse and impenetrable depth. The depth you find in the beautiful eyes of many Indian women, both terribly sweet and unfathomable, where I could really (and hopelessly) lose my mind…
Neapolitans & the Immense Quiet Shoemaker
Italian musicologist Massimo Mila was from Turin (northern Italy, under the Alps) and adhered to the great philosophical school founded by Neapolitan Benedetto Croce. This school engendered a large number of high-level intellectuals and dominated the Italian intellectual scene for more than half a century: Piero Gobetti, Antonio Gramsci, Nicola Abbagnano, Attilio Momigliano, Massimo Mila, Giulio Confalonieri ecc. this list being very long (Giovanni Gentile, another influent Italian philosopher of that period being instead Croce’s peer, and Sicilian).
I told you Neapolitan Greek cousins of Rome were full of surprises: wonder why they had some excellent philosophers and why southern-Italy thinkers like Croce (and Gentile) had this special connection with the Germans.
Mila, anyway, in his inspired Breve storia della musica (Einaudi 1963 p. 144) writes about German Johann Sebastian Bach, the greatest western composer in my view:
“His immense musical production was put together with assiduous, methodical, quiet work, carried out with scrupulous care of artisan and conceived, without any pause, as service of God. Without any pause since, if Bach had been a shoemaker, he would have made a boundless number of shoes to the great glory of God, all carefully crafted and finished off with scrupulous care”.
Discussion with readers
Very interesting comments (in my view) have sprung from this post on Germany and the Germans. If you click down on “comments” you’ll follow holistic in-depth (though man-of-the-street’s) discussions between two lovely Indians and Man of Roma. Indians: Ashish especially, a young gifted man, and Poonam, a sweet woman who talks little but her words have weight.
Discussion about what? Well, about: Bollywood, India, Europe, America, UK, WW1, WW2, decline of Europe, German tremendous virtues, Indian women’s eyes, China, Cindia, Great Britain’s awesome success, highly refined & beloved France, Hitler’s folly and death in bunker, Hitler’s perverted sadism, Hitler’s evil psychological seducing powers, German tragedy, Italian Comedy, Mussolini and Fascism. Mussolini, his balls & his petty calculations, plus comparisons between the British the Germans the Russians the Romans (of course), the French, the Spaniards. Plus Elisabeth I, Shakespeare & Spanish Armada defeat, Russia invading Germany thirsty for blood, Tolstoy’s War and Piece greatness, Napoleon, the Brits’ greatness in some ways similar to Romans’ greatness, UK as trojan horse of Europe, and much much more.
One friend of mine just said: “This is crazy!”
I provided no answer.
PS
Let us first enjoy this J.S. Bach’s Toccata und Fuge BWV 565 played by Hans-Andre Stamm on the famous Trost organ in Waltershausen, Germany (have a look here). It is a very famous piece of music and I’d prefer other ones by Bach. But it is good for starting to appreciate a totally new spiritual world of sounds. Most of the time Toccatas are not as deep as Fuges.
Up to you to guess which is which.
Let us finally compare the majestic piece linked above with this electric-guitar improvisation by Lonn, a refined French man and guitarist of Towersound French band. He’s improvising on the above Toccata only, though improvisations being tricky, up to you to figure out if he sticks to the Toccata only.
Two last things. A. I met this French band just now on YouTube, so I do not know their value (the impro seeming to me decent enough though, and the French accent of the player absolutely delightful). B. Silly purists have absolutely no home in my virtual Neverland.
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British > Germans on my list. Though German’s are second … the list being the most intriguing people of the world. Can’t add much, but German’s have a very rich history.. one of most fearsome warrior people’s in earlier ages or something.
But I always did want a Porsche every since I played NFS: Porsche Unleashed!
@Ashish
>But I always did want a Porsche every since I played NFS: Porsche Unleashed!
Ah ah ah. You really are such a great guy, Ashish. If I were gay, I would marry you NOW.
>British > Germans on my list. Though German’s are second
Well, I like both the Germans and the British, and I am kind of torn between them. Parallel to this attraction, there is the French (English, German, French are the languages I have studied, after all).
The French belong to our same Latin civilization. They were in some way created by Julius Caesar, they speak the same bastard Latin we also speak, they have a similar sweet way of life or *dolce vita* (sweet life). So, gettin’ ahead with age I am starting to adore them more and more. Old people get pretty sentimental….puah, such disgusting weakness… but they are in my view among the most refined people in the world.
>German’s have a very rich history.. most fearsome warrior people’s in earlier ages
Yes, they were (and are, I suppose) great warriors. The British were (and are) too. Totally different way if fighting though. You can also see in soccer. Soccer (or any sport) is very revealing (I know only soccer though, pretty dull lol). It is interesting how they have this common German root (Anglo-saxons referring to two German tribes, as you know) but they are very different. Both very strong-willed though, very strong-willed indeed.
PS
Post on Germany has grown. Bollywood is there too. Have a look, buddy
Hey, I read this post yesterday..but the one Indian women’s picture you have here on you blog is one..I dislike..I dislike this woman she has portrayal of a delicate yet plastic beauty. She does not represent the essence of Indian woman…Indian woman are spunky, lively..nothing like this woman who is world pages with a well oiled PR machinery..
Ah ah ah. You really are such a great guy, Ashish. If I were gay, I would marry you NOW.
If I ever decide to impress a girl, I’m going to use this as a testimonial.
Well the British and Germans are nearly level but the Brits edge the Germans out. I’m not interested much in the French though it is much bigger ever since I’ve read Dumas’ work. In combat the Germans have an edge on land while the Brits are unsurpassed in naval, but things have changed a lot now. Europe no longer is the “IT” thing of the world, lol. That passed to America and is now passing on to Asia quite quickly. But Europe intrigues me as Asia intrigues you.
I don’t watch soccer. I used to play soccer in school with a lonely dodge being my only achievement even though I don’t know how I did it to this day. lol.
Post on Germany has grown. Bollywood is there too. Have a look, buddy
Aishwarya Rai? Nope, I’m more interested in the Germans! lol. Not a movie person here.
Btw, you’ve been TAGGED!
@Ashish
> you’ve been TAGGED!
Tagged? What the hell does that mean lol GeekWrestler?
>Well the British and Germans are nearly level but the Brits edge the Germans out.
The British are the most successful nation in Europe. No doubt. They didn’t only edge out the Germans. They edged out the French as well. And before, they defeated the Spanish
Armada about to subjugate England at the Shakespearean time of Elisabeth I, such a turning point that naval battle.
The Brits were thence the *winners* of this great comedy-tragedy called European history. We might say world history, due to great European influence at that time. We are using Brits’ language not by chance, you and me. Who else? We Italians (well, only me among few), India & Pakistan, Australians, America, Canada, Hong Kong, mainland China (they have to lol), The French (oopss, they try *hard* not to): *everybody* in short making efforts - except Italians and French, different reasons though - all helped by the fact that English is *easy*.
>Europe no longer is the “IT” thing of the world, lol. That passed to America and is now passing on to Asia quite quickly.
Allow me to correct this world pic a bit:
1) Cindia first. 2) Then the West (Europe, starting from the Greek-Romans - Cindia was parallel but too far for me to comprehend - and ending up with the Brits); 3) nowadays Brits-originated America. 4) then Cindia again, in brief time, 10-20 years max, in my view.
(I’m ready of course to go to India and play piano singing opera tunes in a Chinese restaurant in Bombay, one of the cities I *love* most in the world (Bach being too complex for the usual restaurant goers).
Renaissance think-tank guys like Italian Machiavelli talked about *Fortune* and *Virtue* as main factors of success in history (pardon me Ashish, this blog is making me a chatter-box…
I am flooding a friend
( because you are a great stimulus, buddy, ah ah, it is your fault, not mine)
1) *Fortune*. The Brits were in fact kissed by Roman Goddess Fortune (a real Roman Goddess, no kidding, sexy though foolish), one clear example being they could defeat the unbeatable (Spanish Armada fleet of 130 ships, lethal) *basically* because of inclement weather, plus because of maybe embryonic superior naval technology, a minor factor in any case, the status of being embryonic being actually … just embryonic.
2) *Virtue*. The Brits had TONS of virtue(s). Much more admirable element, Virtue, Fortune being too whimsical to be interesting.
In short, British had that *greatness* we all admire and which in my view is partially of Roman descent (I am convinced of this, and they seem too mostly, even though they didn’t recognize it much in the past. Great Gibbon didn’t. He thought West came from the dark misty German forests, not from sunny Mediterranean sea. I’ll check. I just shot it. It think technically it is called *Whig vision of West Birth*, totally wrong of course in my view, French Braudel having much better vision (and evidence), I believe.
> Europe no longer is the “IT” thing of the world, lol. That passed to America and is now passing on to Asia quite quickly
Yes, Europe is undone. Since the Germans were so *powerful* they started saying: “hey guys, we arrived late, ok? Brits having the biggest slice, then French a smaller though interesting slice as well, isn’t it *high* time we show the world who the hell we are eh? Let us get our slice, men!”. Well, gosh, all this was fair and just after all, although history’s not like that, ruthless power-relationships counting only. So 2BC, Two Big Clashes occurred (WW1 & WW2) which, ironically enough, undid not only Europe but Brits and France as well, and all of us. It was the end of all. Bye bye Europe. End of it.
The weird thing being that the Germans are total deep geniuses, a bit like the Greeks: too much depth kind of leading to self-destruction (Greek civilisation at its best *suddenly* collapsed…what great and amazing foolishness).
Ok, so the Germans started to make mistakes. For example they violated one of the rules in the West u *cannot* violate, given our Gods watching mortals with envious eyes, something the Romans (& Brits) would never have done: they committed Hubris (complicated concept: see Wikipedia). My view of excess is a bit different at this moment: something like being-less-intelligent-via-too-much-intelligence. Twisted, I know.
Romans and Brits were instead more matter-of-fact: less deep intelligence leading weirdly to *extreme* and *unbeatable* intelligence.
What happened is that Germans went so beyond, thinking they were superior to ALL. They went so far, crazy Romanticism (Wagner, Nietzsche and all that moonstruck bewitchingly beautiful bunch helping them fall into a horrid pit, and us all with them).
In fact one day arrived when Fortune totally hit them. In the cruellest of ways. She sent this *maniac*, dunno how to phrase it, this sadistic magician with paranormal superpowers. She (and the cruel Gods) just sent this Evil Genius because of Hubris, this barbarian who was able to t-o-t-a-l-l-y seduce - he, mostly uncouth - an incredible folk (think of Beethoven, Bach, Goethe, Schiller, Heine, Richard Strauss, Thomas Mann etc.) highly, extremely civilized. He incidentally seducing also our fascist dux Mussolini (Latin: leader) who was total Hitler’s Magister and had balls, his balls and intelligence not sufficing though since he fell too seduced so much after watching this monster subjugating h-u-g-e crowds of Germans with his powers, incredible mass media and special effects, and also adhering for petty calculations: he thought Hitler had won the war already, a silliness we all Italians paid such a heavy price for…).
Hitler of course, those he didn’t seduce, he had them killed and intelligently tortured so pain lasted longer. He was *wicked*, loved to kill and chose people around him who were similar. One horrific example of his perverted mind was, he fell in love with this little girl, his niece, if I recall well, to the extent that she lost her mind and killed herself …. he suffered from that a lot… he probably loved her, and after that tragedy he became even less human… self destruction ….why don’t we have great Shakespeare alive now to tell all this in immortal verses or, even better, Greek tragedy-writer Sofocles chanting in eternal Greek verses this immense unthinkable woe for future generations to remember (and learn) thru sublime art?
So Hitler (and the SS and those close to him) ended up destroying 1) his country 2) destroying Europe’s (UK’s and France’s included) influence etc.
Such a HUGE SIGH of relief when finally he ended his wicked perverse life with instant poison in that ghastly underground bunker under Berlin soil.
The damage was done though. Big Bear was approaching. Germans had raped and killed horribly invading Russia because they were convinced the people were like ants there, not real humans… so Big Huge Russian Bear was preparing to backfire, thirsty of blood. They are slow the Russian, but they can strike *huge* blows, like a Bear does. They actually helped the Brits to destroy Napoleon (read Tolstoy’s War and Peace) and Hitler (Mussolini didn’t count: his military forces were scarce). Russian foot soldiers were the great winners of WW2 maybe: 20,000,000 died. Young, full of hormones and writing letters to their girlfriends, they abandoned life because of Hitler the maniac. So when finally Big Bear invaded Germany, these dead soldiers’ angry comrades raped and killed all the German women they found …I saw a picture in Der Spiegel ….. better not to tell…
I am not for tragedy, man. I am a Roman. The Romans too provoked BIG tragedies, but for rational purposes (one can of course disagree with). I (exactly like them ) prefer comedies and, being Italian, I prefer Commedia dell’Arte (or Commedia all’Italiana movies).
Tragedy is though befitting the Germans. To them I pay the humblest of tributes, loving them and pitying them for all they did and for the burden of their guilt (which is passing away: new generations renewing life thanks Gods).
I have some German and Celtic blood, and they were our allies, I am honest to affirm it, although Italians didn’t want WW2 (but Mussolini ruled) and they didn’t want Irak war (but selfish tycoon Berlusconi ruled). I love Herman (who destroyed Augustus’ legions) and the German Goths, who destroyed one of the most intelligent and refined Empire ever appeared, the Empire of Rome. They could do it not because the Germans were stronger, no (young historians like Peter Heather saying this, not me). They did it only because the Romans underestimated them (like the Germans the Russians). Their first (and last) mistake.
PS
“A people should know when they are conquered” says Chief of Praetorian Guards in the initial Gladiator exciting movie battle. Well, most of them Germans were actually yet unconquered and unromanized. Is it by chance they ended up in tragedy? I know this seems silly and repetitive. But I think it is true. I do really think it is true, man. I might be wrong, of course. After all, what do I know? I am only a Geek like you, trying to brush up humanities. Why the hell do you think I do know? Ah ah ah. Do not take me seriously. My prose is ranting, life being comedy, just a comedy, and I am being a foolish actor of Commedia dell’arte.
@Poonam Sharma
>Plastic beauty (Aishwarya Rai). She does not represent the essence of Indian woman …Indian woman are spunky, lively..nothing like this woman who is world pages with a well oiled PR machinery
Your prose is so exact, mine is flooding, being nature probably and at the moment lack of concentration (see how I flooded poor Ashish). Of course I am sure you are right about Aishwarya Rai. The reason I chose her it is because I saw this British movie, “The Last Legion”, where she plays a major role. Although, well, her eyes are outstanding (never seen that eye colour before, they might be artificial though, artificial lenses etc.). I wanted to convey an idea of depth in Indian culture thru the eyes of a woman … women being the core and deep soul of any civilization, with depths unknown to men or, in any case, different depths altogether. So, since I saw those tremendous eyes in that movie …
Only the pic I chose is not revealing her eyes as well as I wanted (better ones were copyrighted). Ok, she is plastic, but I am totally naive as far as Bollywood etc. and I disagree with Ashish only for the reason that Bollywood can teach me *a lot* on India pop culture. I need this at this point of my life, dunno why. I love to see all these people dancing, these are musicals, not only just movies, wow, and probably I need this type of incredibly colourful and rich music and dance and plot, all togetherr…such a potent DRUG!
(Plus I wanted to provide to ignorant Westerners a *winning* image of India. You can say what you want about her, but she is a winning Indian, no doubt about it)
Pls tell me though where I can download uncopyrighted pics you think they *really* represent the essence of Indian women, which is of course more important than plastic lol…please sweet Poonam, I am starting to get sentimental, such a disgusting weakness of old age! I am so angry! The thing I am loving you all Indian guys. Dunno, it is an infancy thing, I told Ish about it. Also it is a damn hard moment of my life …
And be so kind to come back here, dear Indian woman. Tell me about what is the essence of India according to Poonam *only* (I do not only care about big philosophers, I care for people like you and me and Amith and Ashish etc, etc. though of course I started reading S. Radhakrishnan a lot. Outstanding mind, sweet and profound, teaching me a lot. He said we ALL should be man + woman + child in order to really be complete and wise. Isn’t that beautiful? I will invite him soon to my virtual symposium … I need depth, colours, dance, music which are rich too. My culture is based on the concept that “simple and clear is beautiful”: as simple (and beautiful) as a Greek temple. Yours, as far as I can tell, seems based instead on “complex and manifold is beautiful” …I am fantasying about it. I’m much crazier than the deep Germans, ah ah ah, though Roman (and less deep than a Germans are).
Finally, dear Poonam, the reason I seldom comment on your blog is that it is so peculiar-Indian-stuff oriented (which is good) though *difficult* for me to understand ….
PS
Basically the Last Legion says what I just told Ashish: Brits, even in pop culture, are getting closer to us Romans: the Excalibur sword that will belong to King Arthur is nothing but Julius Caesar’s sword and Arthur’s father is nothing but Romulus Augustulus, the last emperor of Rome. Ok, only silly pop culture, I know, but it corresponds to the feelings of Brit common people: according to them (or to Mass Media industry though they give what people want to buy) the future British Empire derives from Rome. *Enough with the Romans*, Gosh!
All my warmest regards
Let me reply randomly.
I think the Brits have Europe in them like none of the other people. They are at once Norse, German, Roman, Franks, Spaniards or Swiss. And it does help when you’re on an island and most of the land wars are kept at bay. Lol. Yes, there will be none like the British Empire, the hallmark of Europe when it covered 1/4th of the world.
Germans, I admire them. And yes, their power grew in a surge [two actually] and fell away quickly because of their own foolishness. End of Europe did I say? Nope, for recently Europe is getting back to its feet. Not the UK or France or Spain of old but Sweden, Norway and Denmark among the rest. It is just a “chakra” [wheel] of time, when one falls, someone else takes its place. When the UK became too tired of being THE IT of the world, America took over, then somebody, then somebody. Sort of like when a teacher retires, someone else comes to take his place.. not always matching his predecessor.
Wasn’t Attila the guy who along with the Goths took down much of the Western Empires power? For the Byzantine empire, they underestimated the Turks. Over confidence kills. We have a recent [well before I was born] example of Vietnam and even Iraq where even the superior US army was harried because of lack of preparation.
The Russians are a different people, European though.
I respect them, but haven’t learned much. It’s as if there’s a wall between Russia and the rest of the World. More deep then the China wall.
Gladiator movie was awesome. But sometimes I think that we’ve been conditioned to think that Romans were the bad guys always until the very end. They did much that has actually revolutionised the world. The greeks invented, the Romans spread.
If I ever come to Italy, I’m sure going to visit you!
>It is just a “chakra” [wheel] of time, when one falls, someone else takes its place.
Yeah, so true. Is it a Sanskrit word and concept?
>End of Europe did I say? Nope, for recently Europe is getting back to its feet
Getting back to its feet? Uh uh…well, I’ll tell you why my love for the Brits is troubled by *some* grudge. They used Julius Caesar’s strategy ‘divide and rule’ he used against the Gauls. They thus succesfully impeded a BIG power to grow on the Continent (= unification of Europe). I understand and admire them: it would have made them hopeless. So they destroyed French Napoleon first, German Hitler later. The thing being now, chakra affecting also intelligence of the most gifted, they are *still* thinking that impeding European political unification is an intelligent thing.
Wow. My best compliments! Is it *now* good to do that? Is it *now* intelligent? Aren’t we all European? How can Europe cope with huge challenges if divided?
Europe will never be as great as she was before. Let her at least save her ass and live decently, or we’ll really wash car windscreens in 30-40 years. This is my grudge against the Brits.
>The Russians are a different people, European though.
I respect them, but haven’t learned much
Yes, European with a bit of Asia in their blood. Amazing their awesome women, looking Swedish though with Chinese eyes. Almost as lethal as Big Bear’s blows. Read Russian Tolstoy “War and Peace” which according to world critics is probably one of the best novels *ever* written (very huge book though: if u can *bear* lol at least 100 pages you are conquered forever. He tells ALL about Russian complex life and peace and manners with poetry not inferior to Shakespeare’s (and incidentally also describing Big Russian Bear defeating Napoleon not only via brutal force, one having to remember they are world’s *best* chess players)
>Gladiator movie was awesome.
Yes it was. Director was British, not US. And it helped the world to better understand the dignity and valour of Rome.
>But sometimes I think that we’ve been conditioned to think that Romans were the bad guys
It is mostly (and sadly) because Fascism and Nazism chose the Romans as their model. Plus (I hate this) because the Christians are sometimes fanatics and every movie they pay for you see bad Roman soldiers killing Jesus or Christians eaten up by lions in Colosseum. No, they weren’t definitely the bad guys, no. Of course they were real and successful conquerors. Where they the only ones in history lol? How could they be the bad guys having shaped Europe and the West (more than the Greeks, sorry for my Greek student lol). All of us Western guys would then still be the bad guys (ah ah, maybe we are lol).
Well, yes, the Romans were disciplined. And the Romans were hard ….
But weren’t the Brits hard as well when they mercilessly whipped their schoolchildren; or when - in need of labour in Kangaroos land - they sentenced *thousands* of boys and girls to lifelong hard labour in Australia *just* for stealing an apple in a market? Horribly cruel, you (and me) would say… well, they had had superior rational goals nonetheless. Common-man morals and politics (= governing) travel in different directions (this is why we have CIA, for example). Called Real Politik (or Machiavellian thought). In any case, no great civilisation engendering fruits (and both the Romans and the Brits *did* create prodigious fruits) can be possibly based only on violence, cruelty (Radhakrishnan, somewhere in “Living with a purpose”, Oriental Paperbacks 1977).
>The Greeks invented, the Romans spread
… but it is my duty as ManofRoma to say the list of things Romans invented is so long (law, outstanding building engineering and war craft, constitutional ideas that shaped American constitution almost entirely etc.) Well, it may suffice to say that European ruling classes lived the Sweet (and hard…
Roman life until Jane Austen’s times and even much much later. Enough with it.
Partially true dear sweet Ashish. I know I’ll sound chauvinistic
PS
Ah ah ah…and even if they *just spread* was not bad neither: if it were for the Greeks, all their their sublime conquests would have vanished like snow under Indian sun
PPS
What the hell is this tagging thing, you forgetful boy ah ah ah
PPPS
Not as much forgetful as me though lol. Yes, come to Rome, good and intelligent young man. Never like in this moment of my life I need to meet wise friends to talk to…..
Yeah, so true. Is it a Sanskrit word and concept?
Sort of a Hindu belief. It happened before, it will happen again. Beings are created, they advance, fight among themselves, destroyed, begin again. I posted a joke on that belief once - This Shit happened before.
Ah yes, Divide and rule. Thats what the Brits are blamed here for too. Diving India and Pakistan. However, most of these fights and grudges are already present and they just acted on them for their own interest. Manipulation for personal interests, if you may call. They were smart and no wonder became a huge super power. It was unethical, but if I put myself into their place, perhaps I might have done the same thing to protect my own interests. lol.
As for Europe, the winds are a-changing. The big three [Britain, Germany and France] still hold fort but newer ones are coming up. Europe is as important for the balance of the world as Asia.
Tolstoy’s “War and Peace” has been on my to read list for ages, but I haven’t read a book in ages. lol.
It is easy to blame, but when you are in the leaders position you have to take tough decisions sometimes. Discipline is necessary, but at times we must relax. Thats what my teacher used to say… but we relaxed in class and were disciplined at home.
Yes, I do not discredit the Romans, what I meant to say was even though people credit the Greeks with many of todays concepts [democracy], the Romans brought them to a bigger stage. A world without Rome is unthought of. Perhaps that is why the age after the fall of Rome has been labelled the Dark Age.
What the hell is this tagging thing, you forgetful boy ah ah ah
Just answer those question [remove my answers] and post it on the blog. Pass it on to others if you wish, like Autumnsnow perhaps?
Not as much as me though lol. Yes, come to Rome, good and intelligent young man. Never like in this moment of my life I need to meet good friends …..
I wish to see Europe someday. 
Surely.
@Ashish
Still didn’t get the tagging concept. I am not only a dilettante philosopher. I am a very bad geek as well
I’ll explain in a list -
1) You go to the person’s blog who tagged you [me in this case] and copy the meme in your blog editor. [all the questions]
2) Answer all the questions [remove mine] whether truthfully or funny it depends on you.
3) choose other people to pass this on [totally optional]
4) Post it on the blog like another normal post. DONE!
It’s not required to do the meme if you are tagged, but its a good way to break the monotony and connect with bloggers. I do memes because they are fun and what brought me readers in the first place. Still confused? Go over to my blog and search among the categories [called Generals] for Those Weird Memes [second from bottom]. I use that for memes, you’ll see that they are all varied and some fun!
It doesn’t require a geek to do them, even I didn’t know at first but I saw everyone elses and did them too.
PS. You’re a VERY good geek. I must consider you in next years ministry appointments.
*remove mine
means remove my answers and put in yours.
@Ashish
Ok, I’ll think of it and try…
It’ll be interesting to see you do a meme.
Oh and congrats on reaching 2500 hits! 
i would like to add my take on the so called ‘german’ genius.
some time back, i was repairing my bosch washing machine, the motor was gone, when i took out the motor, it was a delightful piece of engineering, very well made, solid, sturdy, with a complicated system of washers and gaskets to prevent the water from going inside, but unfortunately time took its toll, the rubber worn out especially in india’s tropicalised climate and the motor gave way.
i replaced it with a japanese motor, which was light, half the cost, looked cheap, but it was engineered in a way which made it totally oblivious to the effect of water, because the shaft rotated outside the drum where there was water, it works till now.
the german engineer was diligent, persevered and he solved a complex problem, but, that also shows one aspect, that he was so engrossed in what he was doing that he did not think of another solution which was better.
i love german craftsmanship. i can only say, human beings are more than just pieces of machine, in the end, we all have a heart.
and i would prefer a ‘Scuderia’ or an ‘Alfa’ to a ‘porsche’ any day..
buona fortuna.
@Gaurav
I’ll be brief for lack of time. Some Italian cars can be good, tho they used to be much better 30 years ago when I was in Bombay and lots of taxies were Fiat 1100 for example (as strong as tanks and very cheap). Great Japs machinery? Well, outstanding of course, but I cannot expand topics too much lol. On the whole, and sticking to Europe, I believe German cars are better than Italian cars, with only a few exceptions.
Who has more heart? Difficult to say. I do think both. I am pretty sure about it. Talking from direct experience.
very interesting, but I don’t agree with you
Idetrorce
@Idetrorce
>very interesting, but I don’t agree with you
Hello Idetrorce, welcome here. Feedback being so important, pls tell me why, if you want.
@Man of Roma
Sorry, I was quite busy for some time and I still am, hence could not read your posts. As you might have guessed by now, I read posts from old to new…
Anyway, As per me I rate Germans>>> Brits. now I may be well wrong over here but I have my reasons.
To put it historically, Germany fought bravely but lost World war I. By 1917 it was virtually bankrupt but was forced to pay heavy fine by the treaty of Versalies. Her colonies were taken away, her military strength destoyed by sactions but yet by 1939 it was standing tall, fighting a World war again and winning almost single handedly till America came to scene and Russia changed sides.
Now it goes on to show how the country developed in about 20 years. Not only Militarily but also economically, that it was able to sustain a world war again… though economic crisis did creep in eventually.
Again It distroyed and divided and suffered probabaly the most during the cold war and here we find them standing again, tall and proud!!!
They have one of the most poweful currency of the world, highly developed, have the largest pool of engineers, leaders in Robotics, and not to mention one of the strongest army in the world.. That speaks volumes of a great nation.
How many country in the world have been able to do that… Japan you say but Japan hardly has to spend on its defense. Within a century they have been destroyed twice and yet have been able to rebuilt it!!!
@Falcon
Dear Falcon, welcome back! I was wondering where you had been.
I do agree regarding the incredible strength and intelligence of the Germans. I always admired (and loved) them, I learned a bit their beautiful language, and this post, after all, is a tribute to their greatness. I cannot say if I love them more than the British because in my view we cannot compare peoples like that plus I love and admire the British too and by learning English I have learned lots of things thanks to them. German is a fascinating topic, but I think in the future I will face topics regarding UK and America as well. Plus of course other nations and Islam (especially Mediterranean Islam) too. I will not abandon India and China, of course. Only, you international people, pls remember I also have to talk of the Romans once in a while lol.
All the best, dear Falcon
@ Man of Roma
Can I be a little Biased? Lol
@Falcon
Of course lol